• EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 year ago

    It seems the solution is simple. Don’t use apple products anymore. Windows or linux.

    Unlike apple, there’s ways to make windows private and secure and most distros of linux are mostly private and mostly secure

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      Too bad when more and more people buy Apple phones for some reason, well at least where I live (which is the poorer part of central Europe), I have no idea how people can spend this kind of money for a 4 or 5 year phone, when you can buy something more capable for the same money and you will actually know it will get supported with updates for more than 2 years

      Can’t wait for this to be more widespread in the future to the point iMessage will be the messaging standard

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        What I always found odd is that many people will try Android. And at the first problem they’ll switch to iPhone.

        However the iPhone may demonstrate the same exact problem, among many more, yet they just deal with it anyway.

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          Probably because on Android there is likely a way to fix it, but it involves a bit of research and picking the best way.
          Whereas on iPhone, thats yhe wayvits intended to be so “suck it up”.
          Some people just dont want to have to deal with the choices

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        It’s mostly a moot point anyway. The vast majority of people who buy apple products “for some reason” will have no frame of reference or desire to learn what has changed as far as web apps are concerned.

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          Except I live in central/eastern Europe and most of these people were android users

          It definitely is just a brand thing and the fact they maybe bought a shitty budget phone and then went straight for the iPhone 11s/12s and thought “this is so good and android sucks”, because that’s just the fact the price is 4 times higher compared to the old phone

          For example for the same price you can get a pixel 7 or an iPhone 12 (or an Samsung A54, S20 FE or a flip 3, which aren’t that great considering they are on sale currently, and I’m comparing this price to the normal prices of the other two), imo the pixel is a lot better value than the iPhone in that case

          Also the retailer in question is czc.cz, probably the best retailer in Czechia for tech because others just focus on appliances or aren’t as good (but tbh they do quite suck since they just for some reason have crazy prices or don’t have some things other retailers here and around the world have)

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        Same reason poor people buy overpriced designer handbags. Status symbol…

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          Yup, those status symbols are for poor and upper middle class people.

          • poor - a few nice things makes you appreciate them a lot
          • upper middle class - no need to save money on such things, so you get “the best” or whatever
          • rich - you get bespoke stuff, “designer” stuff is for plebs
          • middle class - “a few nice things” isn’t as good as “lots of pretty good things” and a funded retirement

          Source:

          • poor - my in-laws
          • upper middle class - DINKs I work with, wealthy neighbors
          • rich - movies
          • middle class - me
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      1 year ago

      This topic is about mobile devices, not desktop. Last I checked, Windows and Linux aren’t mobile OS’s.

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      Windows is the one where I need an account to install and that spies on me and throws ads in my face, that one?

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        Like I said, there’s ways to make it private. And there’s ways to block the ads. There’s ways to use it without a Microsoft account too.

        Apple devices have a second network adapter to bypass your VPN and any adblocking software you have to serve you locally relevant ads.

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            search results are always being tampered with. Which search engine did you use? They may have back-peddled on that due to security concerns…or maybe someone in the executive room has a soul and convinced the others not to do it.

            Or maybe they’re already doing it and there aren’t any apple users that know about it, because unlike windows and linux, you have no control and no way of getting control over your apple devices.

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              I checked too. Can you use your engines to source the claim?

              It’s very interesting but I would’ve thought somebody would’ve Wiresharked it or seen the suspicious traffic hitting their router (perhaps).

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          They even have an offline installer mode with local account only. Just need to download the correct image from the Microsoft server.

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        You don’t need an account. De-bloating scripts take care of most other annoyances. You can fairly easily beat windows into submission

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          You don’t need an account.

          Technically true but worthless to your average consumer. You need to interrupt the installation process, enter a command in a terminal after knowing how to access the terminal and then you can use a local account.

          This is worthless to your average person.

          The same argument applies when Linux neckbeards waddle out of a basement to declare something is simple; just open terminal and do Y.

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        Although I agree with you it is not a good choice.

        Depending on your threat model it is acceptable. Everyone has different trade offs.

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          Not only about threat models, some software is simply available for Windows only. If you need it for work, you’re stuck, and that’s that.