While I’d never do something like that, I can see his point. Sometimes the only way forward is to burn your bridges.
Also, all this talk about face tattoos reminds me of one of the all time great science fiction novels, “The Stars My Destination,” by Alfred Bester. One of the subplots is that the hero gets tattoos that make it easy for his enemies to find him.
I would actually not care nor measure that into my judgment.
At one particular time in their life, this felt like a great idea to them. We didn’t live their life, we can’t know. It might even make up for a great story to tell.
And on top of that: I see no difference to make-up, except it’s permanent. Women paint their faces like they’re applying to Clowns college and noone bats an eye. A nice face-tattoo is just more plainly identifieable as paint than good makeup is.
Not talking about a swastika or other stupid messages of course. If you portrait stupid messages I’m forced to deduct you’re stupid.
Make up not being permanent is a big reason why it’s perfectly OK to use it even if you look like a clown. I’m a dude and occasionally use make up at certain parties.
You seem to agree with me that face tattoos are a terrible idea, but you empathise with their idiot younger selves. I get it, and probably IRL I would not be so merciless. But I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea even if some people will show them some sympathy.
So many decisions are permanent. Philosophically speaking, every decicsson is. If you decide to get that burito later you will forever be the person that decided to get that burito in that decision.
Someone decides to go to college and spends 5 years there. That is forever. They can decide to go into a different profession of course or get a second degree in something else but those 5 years are gone.
And that decision should be mutch mutch mutch more relevant to somebody hiring you that a cosmetic decision.
And yet we say to children that they can change their courses and degrees if they are not right but we say a tatoo is a mark against you forever.
Its 100% prejudice from a time when tattoos were (in western society) mainly related to gang association. A point that is 0% relevant today.
Don’t underestimate the stupidity of white people looking for an identity to fill the void of meaning in their lives.
Since New Zealand isn’t very big, there’s a good chance we’re just a fad away from having millions of 22 year olds getting shitty imitations onto their faces thus ruining it for the Maori.
It’s not cultural appropriation BTW, because Kaylee and Braden absolutely do have Maori heritage 409 generations ago!
I’m general I agree, but I draw the line at face tattoos. If you have face tattoos I assume you are dumb as sticks.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ethan-westbrooks-face-tattoo-2014-9
tl,dr the man got a tattoo on his face because he knew that would disqualify him for any job except playing pro football.
Well that’s a risky gamble…
While I’d never do something like that, I can see his point. Sometimes the only way forward is to burn your bridges.
Also, all this talk about face tattoos reminds me of one of the all time great science fiction novels, “The Stars My Destination,” by Alfred Bester. One of the subplots is that the hero gets tattoos that make it easy for his enemies to find him.
Fun read. https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-stars-my-destination-alfred-bester/11574652?ean=9781876963460&next=t
I’ve seen people describe face and neck tattoos as the “everlasting job stopper”
Depends on the job tbh. I couldn’t care less about a software developer with face tattoos even if I think less of their life choices.
I would actually not care nor measure that into my judgment. At one particular time in their life, this felt like a great idea to them. We didn’t live their life, we can’t know. It might even make up for a great story to tell.
And on top of that: I see no difference to make-up, except it’s permanent. Women paint their faces like they’re applying to Clowns college and noone bats an eye. A nice face-tattoo is just more plainly identifieable as paint than good makeup is.
Not talking about a swastika or other stupid messages of course. If you portrait stupid messages I’m forced to deduct you’re stupid.
Make up not being permanent is a big reason why it’s perfectly OK to use it even if you look like a clown. I’m a dude and occasionally use make up at certain parties.
You seem to agree with me that face tattoos are a terrible idea, but you empathise with their idiot younger selves. I get it, and probably IRL I would not be so merciless. But I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea even if some people will show them some sympathy.
The permanence IS the most important difference though. One requires you to knowingly make the decision you’ll have it on your face forever.
So many decisions are permanent. Philosophically speaking, every decicsson is. If you decide to get that burito later you will forever be the person that decided to get that burito in that decision.
Someone decides to go to college and spends 5 years there. That is forever. They can decide to go into a different profession of course or get a second degree in something else but those 5 years are gone. And that decision should be mutch mutch mutch more relevant to somebody hiring you that a cosmetic decision. And yet we say to children that they can change their courses and degrees if they are not right but we say a tatoo is a mark against you forever.
Its 100% prejudice from a time when tattoos were (in western society) mainly related to gang association. A point that is 0% relevant today.
I possibly would allow ones around the edges, and of course Maori face tattoos are fine; but otherwise, yeah.
Why?
Because the majority of people with Maori face tattoos are Maori, not gobshites.
Don’t underestimate the stupidity of white people looking for an identity to fill the void of meaning in their lives.
Since New Zealand isn’t very big, there’s a good chance we’re just a fad away from having millions of 22 year olds getting shitty imitations onto their faces thus ruining it for the Maori.
It’s not cultural appropriation BTW, because Kaylee and Braden absolutely do have Maori heritage 409 generations ago!
OK, fine. I will take face tattoos on a case by case basis but they’re walking on thin ice.